Unit coherency problem

[roland]

Flirting with "house ruling" that units of 10+ get a 12" coherency range rather than 6" ( either that or use the optional speed play squad leader and radiate the coherency from the leader.) After playing some games I think we'll be using the squad leader designation and having all models in squad obey the 2" coherency rules and all models in unit must be within 6" of squad leader ( effectively giving a squad a 12" deployment diameter.)

[isa]

i found that 9" fairly easily accomodate a 20 model unit, maybe if you have 40mm bases on such a huge unit it could be problematic, but i cant think of a unit for which such large bases would be reasonable that can be doubled up above 10

[roland]

One additional tweak we've made to the coherency rule is to use squad leader rules. Since the unit leader ( or attached hero) is the ultimate in bubble wrapped in GF, for the sake of counting objectives, only the unit leader's position relative to the marker is measured. This prevents large units from trying to poach multiple objectives at the same time

[dizzy]

I managed to play my Orc Marauders with 20 Boys + Warlord units and it fit exactly into the 6" bubble. Though I have to say it was mainly possible because I have my 40k Orcs still on their old 25mm bases. If you have a new orc army based on 32mm bases (as is now GW standard) it does not fit into the 6" bubble. The 9" bubble works pretty well though with the new bases. If you allow for a 12" bubble it is possible to hold to objectives with one unit. From what I gathered the idea with the 6" bubble is to avoid this from happening.
For our gaming group we adapted the 9" bubble with the additional rule to keep them as much bunched up as possible. Kind of a gentlemans aggreement. Works pretty well for our group.

[roland]

Again, I'd offer up appointing each unit a leader and measuring the distance from the objective only to the leader not the squad. This solves the poaching problem.

[kirotheavenger]

The squad leader idea is perfect imo.
It allows units to shape and spread in a logical way, without being able to control stupendous amounts of the board.

[spicy7557]

Just to reiterate: A 6 inch bubble for a unit has about 28 square inches of room for models (piR^2). If you wanted to double the table space occupied, you only need to add a couple inches to the bubble size. Between 8 and 9 inches gives approx 56 total square inches of table space (about double), so at our house we've been using 9" coherency for units larger than 10 models and it works really well.

[darguth]

For "swarm" units (anything with >10 models) we just increase the unit coherency radius to 12". Though as spicy7557 just posted, 9" would probably be sufficient.

[egge]

Is it a base size question? With smaller 1" bases you should be able to have 49 models. And should be 25 models with 32mm bases? At least the basic rule book states "within" and that is usually not the same thing as "fully within". I e you can have a line of 6,99". 2 models can have 5,99" between them making sure you can have 7 models in a row. 7x7 = 49 models.

Not the best looking unit but should be very possible.

[kirotheavenger]

All models need to be within 6" of one another, so a 6" by 6" square won't work, as the diagonals will be too far apart.
You'd get away with a 7 model diameter circle though with 25mm bases.