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Post by khazil on Feb 24, 2020 22:03:51 GMT
With Warmahordes not doing too great in my area a thought occurred to me, bring them into Age of Fantasy ! First of all the lore.
The lore for my attempt at a fanlist for the Warmachine factions.
Amongst the notable human civilisations in Tyria there is one so fractious and strife ridden that its inhabitants were once referred to as "The Orcs of Mankind" by the Great Comet Empire. Behold the Steambot Mage Lords of Alchymkia. Alchymkia began as a grouping of 3 northern nations. Like most human nations the Alchymkia Empire relied on Magic and Gunpowder for its survival. Unlike most human nations however its Emperor gave little care to the notions of "Overkill" or "Power man was not meant to have", pouring mountains of gold into weapons design. This relied on melding Necromancy (a magic treated with some respect in the Empire) , Techno-Arcanary and as much conventional weaponry as they could buy. The end result was the Steam-Bot, an industrial golem with an artificial soul designed to only be controlled by a Alchymkian. This was the first thing the Emperor (a paranoid and greedy man at his best) decreed when the plans were first discussed, these weapons would never be turned on him and the Empire could retain its safety and military supremacy, he even suggested they could begin to absorb the edges of that grandstanding 'Great Comet Empire' with such a device. Sadly for the Emperor his Steam-Bot had cost so much that his empires citizenry were starving and easily led into a violent frenzied uprising. Within months the old order had been destroyed, however their new Interim Government could barely hold the Empire together and the ancient divisions between the countries began once more, battling for ideological supremscy and the throne . For 50 years the Empire was at war with itself. This --surprisingly-- was good for the nation, as it led to a large amount of battle ready soldiers when the Havoc Warriors arrived on their doorstep.
Alchymkias forces rely on mixtures of standard human troops buffed by their national traits, the customisable Mage-Lords and the crushing might of the Steambot.
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Post by khazil on Feb 25, 2020 11:59:15 GMT
Next up is a rough outline of units and what models are what
All units save for machines and Mage Lords/Mage Captain are 5 to a unit
Mage-Lords ?
Mage-Captain ?
Warriors Q4 D5
Infiltrators Q4 D5
Gunners Q4 D5
Heavies Q4 D4
Light Horseman Q4 D5
Heavy Horseman Q4 D4
Destruction Engines Q4 D3
Artillery Q4 D4
Light Steam-bot Q3 D3
Heavy Steam-bot Q3 D2
Colossal Steam-bot Q3 D2
WARRIORS
Cygnar - Precursor Knights, Legion of Lost souls, Silver Line Stormguard, Stormblades, Stormguard, Sword Knights
Cryx - Bane Knights, Bane Thralls, Carrion Thralls, Mind Slaver and Drudges, Mechanithralls, Revenant Crew, Blood Witches, Satyxis Raiders, Scharde Pirates
Khador - Black Dragons, Doom Reavers, Ironfangs, Kazayzay Assasins
Menoth - Choir of Menoth, Holy Zealots, Knights Exemplar, Temple Flameguard
Retribution - Dawnguard Sentinels, Ellowuryr Swordsmen, Halberdiers, Ryssovass Defenders
Mercs - Alexia and the risen, Devil Dogs, Sea Dog crew, Steelhead Halberdiers
Cyriss - Obstructors
Crucible - Crucible Guard Assault Troopers
INFILTRATORS
Cygnar - Rangers, Trencher Commandos
Cryx - Blackbanes ghost raiders
Khador - Kazayzay Assassins, Kossite Woodsmen
Menoth - Daughters of the Flame, Idrian Skirmishers
Retribution - Nyss Hunters, Mage Hunter Infiltrators, Mage Hunter Strikeforce
Mercs - Croes Cutthroats, Forge Guard, Press Gangers
Cyriss -
Crucible -
GUNNERS
Cygnar - Gun Mages , Long Gunners, Order of Illumination Vigilants, Trenchers,
Cryx - Bile Thralls
Khador - Assault Kommandos, Widowmakers, Winter Guard Infantry, Rifle Corps
Menoth - Deliverer Skyhammers, Exemplar Errants, Flameguard Cleansers
Retribution - Dawnguard Invictors, Battle Mages, Riflemen, Stormfall Archers
Mercs - Hammerfall gun corps, Steelhead Riflemen
Cyriss - Reductors
Crucible - Crucible Guard Infantry, Rocketmen
HEAVIES
Cygnar - Order of Illumination Resolutes
Cryx - Black Ogrun Boarding Party, Black Ogrun Smog Belchers, Bloodgorgers, Blighted Trollkin Marauders
Khador - Man O War Shocktroopers/Bombardier/Demolition Corps
Menoth - Exemplar Bastions/Cinerators
Retribution -
Mercs - Boomhowler, Ogrun Assault Corps
Cyriss - Eradicators, Perforators, Reciprocators
Crucible - Crucible Guard Storm Troopers
LIGHT HORSEMAN
Cygnar - Tempest Blazers
Cryx- Soul Hunters
Khador - Greylord outriders
Menoth - Flame Bringers
Retribution -
Mercs -
Cyriss -
Crucible -
HEAVY HORSEMAN
Cygnar - Storm Lances
Cryx - Bane Riders
Khador - Iron Fang Uhlans
Menoth - Exemplar Vengers
Retribution - Dawnguard Destors
Mercs - Steelhead Heavy Cavalry
Cyriss -
Crucible -
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Post by greedo on Aug 11, 2020 15:58:21 GMT
I'm a bit fan of the OPR & of Warmahordes, but the rules can be pretty dense. Really love this idea.
A big part of WMH is the Warcaster's feat + Spells to make their side behave very differently. How would you handle that aspect, or is it simplified away?
The 'jacks also have a variety of weapons and abilities (such as throwing, charging, ramming etc.).
Are those assumed into the Quality of the jacks?
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Post by khazil on Aug 13, 2020 20:42:23 GMT
I'm a bit fan of the OPR & of Warmahordes, but the rules can be pretty dense. Really love this idea. A big part of WMH is the Warcaster's feat + Spells to make their side behave very differently. How would you handle that aspect, or is it simplified away? The 'jacks also have a variety of weapons and abilities (such as throwing, charging, ramming etc.). Are those assumed into the Quality of the jacks? The core concept behind this list was to allow for modularity with jacks and a rough "one size fits all" stat line for the units, with certain units and factions being upgradeable to be closer in line with their WHM counterparts. Sadly feats had to go to the wayside though IIRC (havent checked the list in a while) the feat may be incorporated into the spell list. Spells themselves are also pretty generic but honestly many of the Casters themselves had similar spelks based on buffs/movement etc. Jacks are pretty strong in OPR and medium/large all have impact as standard (its a 10ft tall 500lb running iron robot, its gonna hurt when it hits) but the actual complexities of "Throw/lock etc" I dropped. The idea is less "Make a OPR version of Warmachine" and more "Lets try to incorporate Warmachine into Age of Fantasy so people can use all those minis they had lying around" with some fluff to actually link them directly into the world of Tyria. |
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Post by warmageek on Sept 5, 2020 20:41:41 GMT
Was this further developed at all? It sounds like a great idea!
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Post by khazil on Oct 20, 2020 13:24:50 GMT
Was this further developed at all? It sounds like a great idea! Yes, infact I finished it a while ago but had issues (now sorted) in hosting it. The Vitoran EmpireIts a fairly simple army list and concept as I explained above. The complexity was really trying to balance everything and create fluff that felt "Warmahordes" whilst also able to sit within the world of AOF. It evolved much further then my first post shows, from a mere fractious nation into a complex civil war with backstabbing, political machinations and everyone having their own stakes. |
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Post by Azrael83 on Oct 30, 2020 5:11:01 GMT
Hi, great idea and great work!
Have you ever tried these lists with AoF Skirmish by adjusting the point values?
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Post by khazil on Oct 30, 2020 10:24:31 GMT
Hi, great idea and great work! Have you ever tried these lists with AoF Skirmish by adjusting the point values? No, though I may give it a shot in the future. |
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Post by greedo on Aug 17, 2021 18:42:27 GMT
Have been thinking about this more lately. ..
Love the base stats for light and heavy jacks.
The nice thing about the army lists is all the options.
The Warcasters might have to be a bit generic unless we could give them a list of optional "skills" that would differentiate them (akin to feats. You only get 1, for a cost). A little like the Battle Brother's Chapter rules from Grimdark or possibly the undead special rules...
The Jacks could have a suite of additional weapons that we could pull from the Dwarf and even undead fantasy lists (steam cannons, large axes, flame guns, undead weapons etc.) that would allow you to customize your Jack to fit the fig a bit better without making any weird rules to complicate things too much.
I don't know of A, AP + special rules, but my thinking is:
1. Guns that explode (cannons, range)
2. Weapons that cause clouds (gas, fire etc.) (high A, low AP). Could be a gun, or the jack just emits a cloud around itself...
3. Guns that pierce armor (high AP, low A, range). Harpoons, sniper type guns
4. Giant club/sword/Claw type weapon (no range, high A, low to mid AP)
5. Basic hands (ok AP, ok A, no range)
Focus and Control is very unique to Warmachine, so I'm cool leaving that off the table for OPR, but perhaps if the warcaster goes down, the Jacks power down as well (is there an existing necromancer rule like this?)
How does this sound?
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Post by greedo on Sept 22, 2021 16:56:00 GMT
So... reading Khazil's file more carefully... Khazil has already thought through everything I was thinking  So all that remains is to re-point these for skirmish. khazil , do you have the word doc to share, and I could take a shot at reworking all the points values, unit numbers, and probably removing Colossus, and battle engines for AoFS? Thanks again for doing this. Absolutely great work. |
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Post by tgunn66 on Oct 18, 2021 11:38:36 GMT
Hi,
Just joined here and found this. I have lots of Warmahordes just sitting around with nothing to do. Very excited to see how this develops. Happy to help as needed.
Cheers
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Post by dorpscorp on Oct 22, 2021 20:38:11 GMT
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Post by JoeKundlak on Aug 7, 2022 22:40:56 GMT
Thx for this khazil! I toyed with getting into Warmachine back in the day, but never got around to it. I might just dip my toes into OPR through this, who would think? I have tome circular proxy tokens created for Menoth and Khador (and a few Cygnar ones), just have to print them out and mount them on some large washers or wooden tokens... It will be interesting with the upcoming 4th edition of Warmachine to see, how things change and if your Army List needs "updating" |
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Post by warwizard99 on Aug 25, 2022 20:31:29 GMT
Would you mind sharing which Vitoran Faction represents what P3 faction in Warmachine?
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So all that remains is to re-point these for skirmish.
